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Post by VB19 on Apr 23, 2009 1:40:05 GMT -5
I noticed there are a lot of people that dislike the entire Coed Volleyball program setup in MCPS.
So is there a place where Coed discussion can take place without there being negative remarks?
I'm sure Coed players are just as interested in "best players at each position" and "2009 coed volleyball."
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Post by MOVETHECOEDSEASON on Apr 23, 2009 6:08:04 GMT -5
Personally, I wish there wasn't a coed volleyball during the spring season simply because it takes away from the level of play of boys and coed volleyball. Move the season and I wouldn't dislike it so much. With the current setup, coed volleyball should serve as a JV boys team for all schools. Not as many people share my opinion.
I would suggest starting your own place to discuss coed volleyball. Try mocofootball.com they have a forum for "other sports in Montgomery County" where you should be able to start any topic about coed volleyball you want.
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Post by playboys on Apr 23, 2009 7:28:30 GMT -5
Boys should try and play boys volleyball.
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Post by Guest on Apr 23, 2009 9:37:36 GMT -5
Mont. County should do away w/ coed volleyball period. Have boys varsity and jv volleyball instead. Many of the girls are playing club anyway in the Spring and don't play for their school. Having a JV boys team would allow you to build the boys program.
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Post by Scott Zanni on Apr 23, 2009 13:02:37 GMT -5
I noticed there are a lot of people that dislike the entire Coed Volleyball program setup in MCPS. So is there a place where Coed discussion can take place without there being negative remarks? I'm sure Coed players are just as interested in "best players at each position" and "2009 coed volleyball." I don't know of a site that sponsors discussion specifically for coed volleyball. I do know that some limited coed volleyball discussion has taken place on this site each of the last two years. I'm fine with that, but I won't be setting up any type of coed volleyball board here. Personally I have no desire to monitor a discussion board for coed volleyball. If coed players/coaches want something like this, I'm sure they can set something up similar to what we've set up here. |
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Post by BC on Apr 29, 2009 21:54:09 GMT -5
I'm going to take the side of Coed here since they need support.
Volleyball is a unique sport at the high school level. Boys are better at the net and girls are better back row. When there are two good coed teams, it's an exciting match. I believe the complete opposite. 3 best boys should play Coed. With the Coed rules and a girl needing contact once, it makes for more exciting rallies.
I see the argument from the Boys side of view but schools can have competitive squads for both teams. Sherwood is the perfect example. Having a JV Boys team would not be exciting and not all schools would field teams. Lets admit, many boys only come out for volleyball because they'll have girl teammates.
Finally, there should be a rule on the amount of girls on a coed team. Coaches should not be able to carry their entired girls team from the Fall. Just modifying this rule will take out some controversy.
So quit hating on Coed!!! Its what makes MOCO unique!
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Post by MOVETHECOEDSEASON on Apr 30, 2009 7:18:07 GMT -5
I'm going to take the side of Coed here since they need support. Volleyball is a unique sport at the high school level. Boys are better at the net and girls are better back row. When there are two good coed teams, it's an exciting match. I believe the complete opposite. 3 best boys should play Coed. With the Coed rules and a girl needing contact once, it makes for more exciting rallies. Finally, there should be a rule on the amount of girls on a coed team. Coaches should not be able to carry their entired girls team from the Fall. Just modifying this rule will take out some controversy. 1. Go to California. They support boys volleyball with jv teams. You will see that boys are better everywhere on the court than girls with few exceptions. Their matches are extremely exciting as are many of the boys matches. Watching coed is boring because anyone can hit a ball down versus one blocker. 2. There is a rule for the number of girls allowed on coed. |
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Post by Scott Zanni on Apr 30, 2009 8:16:48 GMT -5
I'm going to take the side of Coed here since they need support. Volleyball is a unique sport at the high school level. Boys are better at the net and girls are better back row. When there are two good coed teams, it's an exciting match. I believe the complete opposite. 3 best boys should play Coed. With the Coed rules and a girl needing contact once, it makes for more exciting rallies. I see the argument from the Boys side of view but schools can have competitive squads for both teams. Sherwood is the perfect example. Having a JV Boys team would not be exciting and not all schools would field teams. Lets admit, many boys only come out for volleyball because they'll have girl teammates. Finally, there should be a rule on the amount of girls on a coed team. Coaches should not be able to carry their entired girls team from the Fall. Just modifying this rule will take out some controversy. So quit hating on Coed!!! Its what makes MOCO unique! 1. I don't agree with your generalizations about boys and girls. Maybe in coed that works, because in coed boys never set and rarely are trained as the best passers/defensive players, just like girls are rarely the primary hitters/blockers on their teams. It's the nature of coed volleyball. Coed actually stunts the growth of boys becoming solid all-around players. 2. If you had the best three boys play coed, this county would never develop any male setters, liberos, etc. In my opinion that is a serious flaw in developing male volleyball players. Especially given that beyond MCPS there are no coed volleyball opportunities besides recreational leagues. 3. As for JV teams, it's true if we switched to boys JV there likely would be a few schools that initially couldn't field teams. However every year in MCPS there are schools that don't field some teams. Only six schools have gymnastics teams, but I don't hear anyone saying the sport shouldn't be offered. We've even had schools that haven't fielded a JV soccer team before, yet there are more kids playing soccer than just about any other sport. Not having a JV team happens from time to time. It's not (IMO) a reason to say we shouldn't have JV teams. 4. The reality is that having coed and boys at the same time detracts from the competitive level of both sports as a result of some of the best male players playing boys and some playing coed. There is no other logical conclusion. If coed were moved away from boys and girls somehow I think it would be a fascinating thing to watch ALL the best girls and guys play on teams against each other. Otherwise it just detracts from the development of boys volleyball as a sport. |
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Post by BC on Apr 30, 2009 22:34:27 GMT -5
I respect the replies to this but I still must play devil's advocate and defend coed. First to MOVETHECOEDSEASON:
1st- I don't think you can compare California with Maryland when it comes to volleyball. It's a way of life on the west coast.
2nd- If you understood coed rules, you can bring up a boy from the back row to block when there is only 1 boy in the front row. So please get your facts right.
3rd- When you have 3 boys and 3 girls on the court, chances are the boys are better hitters, therefore the girls will be better back row.
4th- I'd like to know the rule about the # of girls because I've seen 10 girls on a coed team this year and as many as 12 a few years ago. The rule should be 6...maybe 7.
Now to Coach Zanni who one of the finest coaches in the state of Maryland!
1st-I don't agree that it detracts from the level of competition when Sherwood makes the championship just about every year in Coed and Boys. I believe it increases the competition because it allows more experienced boys to play on separate teams at a Varsity level.
2nd- A beginner playing with experienced Varsity players can pick up the game faster. Not only do they have coaches on the bench but coaches on the floor as well. (As a former player, I'm living proof. I didn't know what the heck I was doing my 1st year but then quickly picked it up).
3rd- With coed rules, coaches must be aware of where to put boys after the serve and where to put the girls. Again I hate using Sherwood as an example again because I want to beat them this year, but they win coed just about every year because they are the smartest team after a serve. (It not always about talent!)
In conclusion, it's always hard to accept something new at first but I think Montgomery County accidently developed a great idea. Coed volleyball can be unique where a sport can bring ultra competitive boys and girls playing at the same time.
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Post by MOVETHECOEDSEASON on May 1, 2009 6:38:50 GMT -5
I respect the replies to this but I still must play devil's advocate and defend coed. First to MOVETHECOEDSEASON: 1st- I don't think you can compare California with Maryland when it comes to volleyball. It's a way of life on the west coast. 2nd- If you understood coed rules, you can bring up a boy from the back row to block when there is only 1 boy in the front row. So please get your facts right. 3rd- When you have 3 boys and 3 girls on the court, chances are the boys are better hitters, therefore the girls will be better back row. 4th- I'd like to know the rule about the # of girls because I've seen 10 girls on a coed team this year and as many as 12 a few years ago. The rule should be 6...maybe 7. Sorry for listing my points with numbers. I now know how ridiculous it is. I think it is valid to compare the opportunities for boys volleyball players in a particular area versus another area with less opportunity. We can both agree the boys here on the east coast who play club volleyball play the most and can in fact compete with the west coast teams. Why not build on that by expanding the opportunity for boys volleyball players with JV programs. Saying there wont be enough players is short sighted and like Coach Zanni said there are schools that don't put up jv baseball teams some years. It happens. I would be willing to bet over half the schools would put up jv programs and it would build from there. That in mind, perhaps schools should start clubs that are jv volleyball teams. They could play during the girls season after the girls matches, only the schools that want to participate will. There must be coaches interested. Could be a good starting point. Insurance might be a problem. I know quite well the rules of coed volleyball. I have already explained my position on the bringing a blocker up from the back row in another forum but I will explain again for you. Team A has two boys in the front row. Team B has 1. Team B brings a boy blocker up from the back row as the rules allow. Can team B put two male blockers on both hitters if they are spread to the outside? Doubtful. Play some more and learn some basic strategy. You might get a double male block on the better hitter but that leaves a boy hitting against a girl. Instant pudding, too easy. Your wording made it sound like the girls were better back row players, always. I see now that you meant they are better utilized as back row players and setters because the boys are better hitters and the rules mandate that they must touch the ball. Agreed, but lets tweak the rules so it is mandatory a boy touches the ball and see how many touches girls get. The rule states "Teams larger than 16 must have an equal number of boys and girls." Definitely needs some adjusting because with this rule you can have 13 girls and 3 boys but it wont happen because of Title IX. Glad you picked up the sport even if it was just to meet some ladies. Hopefully you will try and play in some mens leagues when you get older so you can experience another level. |
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Post by Guest on May 1, 2009 7:08:02 GMT -5
You all are missing the point here. Boys need a JV team period. Schools would find boys & field teams. In coed girls usually set & play defense ... boys usually hit and block. Boys do NOT fully develop their skills if they only practice/play half of those skills. JV boys would work just like JV girls. You learn the game and ALL the skills. JV programs while the games may be boring at times build programs. Look how far behind Mont. Co is in LAX ... we didn't have JV teams to build the varsity programs. As for #'s of girls on a coed team? Who cares?!?! You STILL can only play 3 & 3 on the court at a time. More girls just limits playing time in practice & games. About the comment of having JV boys in the Fall and have them play AFTER girls matches? Yeah ... I'm sure JV boys/parents/coaches/officials will ALL want to hang around for a boys JV game @ 9:00pm when the girls are done playing!
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Post by MOVETHECOEDSEASON on May 1, 2009 9:37:30 GMT -5
I think the reason people care about the number of girls on coed is because it can become another chance for a coach to coach their girls team. Make it another 3 months of preperations for girls season.
Thanks for stating the obvious about a JV boys volleyball club. It is just a suggestion to get the ball rolling. If we can provide enough interest we may be able to open the eyes of those in charge of making the final decision to add jv boys teams. If the club option is exercised, the gym of one team would be open for play so the home team for girls would be the away team for jv boys much like softball and baseball play games. If it is a club, the coaches could ref the matches only added cost would be insurance which USVBA might be able to help with. Your sarcasm is appreciated but offering an alternative that would work would be more appreciated since you seem just as interested in starting a JV boys program.
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Post by BC on May 1, 2009 9:45:40 GMT -5
Let's get a JV boys program! Just keep Coed as well. Volleyball is the only indoor sport during the spring so gym time and game times shouldn't be an issue.
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Post by sherwoodbaby on May 7, 2009 20:56:17 GMT -5
Why did Price, Mullsteff, & Gilchrist,the best recent players out of Montgomery county, play coed?
It's more fun for the boys!
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Post by Boys Player on May 7, 2009 22:04:36 GMT -5
Why did Price, Mullsteff, & Gilchrist,the best recent players out of Montgomery county, play coed? It's more fun for the boys! LMAO i guess you like to show off ur "skills" on girls than. Whats wrong can't hit over boy blocks? I believe that Playing on Boys is way more fun than playing on co-ed. its more challenging. Well i guss u got ur own opinion |
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