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Oct 10, 2017 21:02:46 GMT -5
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Post by Inquisitor on Oct 10, 2017 21:02:46 GMT -5
Almost half of the varsity cosches in MoCo are now from club programs. Do parents and players think this is a positive or negative trend? Is there a conflict of interest or not? Is this a good development for the players in high school and the club programs?
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Oct 10, 2017 23:44:58 GMT -5
Post by HS Sports Fan on Oct 10, 2017 23:44:58 GMT -5
I think it is only a conflict of interest if the coach makes it a conflict. I say this because if a coach says or implies that players have to play for the coach's club, than that is an issue. And the state has rules for how many girls can be on a coach's club team from their high school.
I honestly think it will help the caliber of play, because we are getting experienced coaches. When my daughter played she had a mix of experienced volleyball coaches, and coaches who were from other sports. Although the other sports coaches were nice and good, they really did not get the complexity of volleyball. I know there are coaches, like Coach Zanni who are not a girls club coach and Magruder is great. But then again, he is a boys club coach sometimes. And he played in college.
So I think it is great if the HS coaches are also coaching club.
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Oct 11, 2017 8:34:06 GMT -5
Post by Scott Zanni on Oct 11, 2017 8:34:06 GMT -5
I'm guessing somewhat, I think the two main reasons we've seen so many club coaches transition to high school is that there are now MANY more clubs than there were even 5-7 years ago. More coaches is a good thing. So the pool of available club coaches is much larger.
Second, schools are finding it harder and harder to find interested and experienced coaches in their building. Many high schools may have 30-40% of all their coaches from outside their teaching staff/building.
End result: schools have greater demand for coaches and there are more club coaches around now.
Is there a conflict of interest? It certainly can exist and at times it does.
I believe most coaches strive to avoid this and pick the best players for their high school team and club programs. Ideally this is how it should be. Pick the best players you have available.
However, I know of at least one group of players from an MCPS school who were told they had to tryout for the club their high school coach participates in. I've also seen club coaches stack their team with players from their high school. So yes, I do think at times this conflict does exist.
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Oct 12, 2017 8:39:04 GMT -5
Post by temartin on Oct 12, 2017 8:39:04 GMT -5
I think Scott's right...there are so many more clubs around than there used to be. So more available coaches who know volleyball. And it also seems a lot of those newer clubs have young coaches who I know are avid (and skilled) local and college players. That can only be good for the sport.
Regarding HS players on their Coaches' club teams, I can only give my own experience...one of my daughters was specifically told at tryouts that the club could only take so many of her HS teammates due to this rule, so our coaches were abiding...
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Oct 12, 2017 13:47:33 GMT -5
Post by Scott Zanni on Oct 12, 2017 13:47:33 GMT -5
I think Scott's right...there are so many more clubs around than there used to be. So more available coaches who know volleyball. And it also seems a lot of those newer clubs have young coaches who I know are avid (and skilled) local and college players. That can only be good for the sport. Regarding HS players on their Coaches' club teams, I can only give my own experience...one of my daughters was specifically told at tryouts that the club could only take so many of her HS teammates due to this rule, so our coaches were abiding... I have to admit, this question interests me. I'm curious what experiences parents/players/coaches have had with this. Thanks for sharing.
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Oct 16, 2017 9:13:05 GMT -5
Post by Cindy Hillard on Oct 16, 2017 9:13:05 GMT -5
I coach club, I coach high school and I coach rec ball. I will speak to how I personally approach club and high school. I make it a point to give out information on just about all the clubs that I know girls in Montgomery County play for. This year I think it was 11 clubs. Last year my players (JV and varsity) spanned across 8 clubs. I also point all players to the CHRVA tryout website and the club websites. I think it is the job of a high school coach to encourage their players to find the right fit for themselves and their families from a coaching philosophy, playing philosophy, travel and monetary perspective to just name a few considerations. It is my personal belief that coaches should never ever tell a player where to play or not play, nor should they tell a player that they must go to certain tryouts or play for the coach. Among other things, playing club ball is not a requirement for playing in high school. I admit that playing club helps the players grow their skills, helps the high school team and increases the odds of making varsity so I encourage my players to play club. But also I tell them it is not a requirement. To tell a player they have to play club or where to play club is reaching far past what a high school coach should do. If a coach tells a player they must play for a certain club, or play for them it is using their 'power' over the player and it is wrong. Yes, we want our teams to win, believe me, I hate to lose. But I believe my job as a high school coach is to help raise a well rounded player and citizen. A player with her family needs to decide what is best for them and follow that path.
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Oct 17, 2017 13:27:19 GMT -5
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Post by Different experience on Oct 17, 2017 13:27:19 GMT -5
At the high school my daughter plays at the varsity coach told the players they had to tryout for the club the coach works for. I believe the club pays the coaches.
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Oct 17, 2017 14:34:52 GMT -5
Post by Cindy Hillard on Oct 17, 2017 14:34:52 GMT -5
That is a sad state of affairs on so many levels. And it is morally wrong in my opinion. I know it is very difficult to go against a high school coach, and that is why SafeSport and so many other programs are in place. Coaches should not be doing that. I just sent a note out to all the high school coaches reminding them that the practice of requiring high school players to try out for their own club should not be happening in my opinion. I am not sure if it will help but I feel strong enough about it, that I needed to at least send something out. I encourage your daughter to go out for multiple clubs. I hope she is having fun with volleyball.
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Oct 18, 2017 14:26:27 GMT -5
Post by temartin on Oct 18, 2017 14:26:27 GMT -5
Coach Hillard is so right. I hope your daughter explores several clubs if she is doing club. The clubs are all different and different kids need different things. Even when both our daughters were playing they were always at different clubs. It was a hassle with practices and tournaments but I believe each got a better experience that way.
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Nov 13, 2017 22:03:55 GMT -5
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Post by Observor on Nov 13, 2017 22:03:55 GMT -5
Hiring a club coach doesn't seem to lead to a better program. Only Coach Cindy at Churchill seems to have successfully improved a program. None of the other club coaches have had the same success that the long tenured high school coaches have had
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Nov 23, 2017 0:05:32 GMT -5
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Post by mocovb on Nov 23, 2017 0:05:32 GMT -5
I guess I’ll shuffle the deck here some and say it doesn’t matter. In the last three years that I have been involved with MoCo HS VB the formula has been simple. Do you have a competent coach? Do you have club players? If you can say yes to these you are in good shape. What do the most successful HS’s have in common? Club players. I don’t want to offend in schools, but there is a group of schools that basically have one to zero club players. The most talented coach in the land could not pull them to the top in the short term. Why? The season is too short. In the long term they can cultivate the middle schools and encourage the benefits of rec, clinics and club volleyball. Of course this gets me back to my original argument. The clubs ultimately build the player and the volleyball IQ. The HS coach takes these pieces and puts the best system and strategy in place to win. However, it is the girls that must execute. Whoever has the most MVSA players makes it into the top half and then if you are lucky enough to have one or two elite players you have yourself a state championship run! Northwest has a MVSA base and a Metro one two punch that is impressive! I’m not trying to take anything away from the coach. I’m just saying the best roster won the 4A state championship. I know the best rosters finished with the best records in MoCo.
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