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Post by clubcoach on Apr 28, 2010 22:12:50 GMT -5
They also get professional training as well as more productive time to practice, rather than those who are coached by only high school coaches, who sometimes tend to be coaches not because they're best for it, because there was no other person for the job. Also, club volleyball membership doesn't come cheap, so not everyone has the opportunity, even if they have the passion and desire to learn and practice more. And sorry about the typo, I meant Quince Orchard* did i hear proffesional coaches in clubs such as mvp dont get payed at all they volunteer to be coaches because they love the sport. players just have to pay for the court and tournments im sry but u havr ur mind set wrong sure it isnt cheap but if u love the sport why not spend 400 buks instead of buying a new phone or ipod
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Post by Curious on Apr 28, 2010 22:33:50 GMT -5
By professional, I meant decent help and coaching, compared to high school coaching. Sorry that I didn't mean it the literal way.
I love the sport, but that doesn't mean I can automatically whip out 400 bucks, let alone get parent consent to whip out 400 bucks to join club volleyball.
Just as a side note, my phone only costed 60 bucks and I don't have an ipod =] I don't just pull out money from my pockets like that. My parents would let me anyways
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Post by Curious on Apr 28, 2010 22:35:11 GMT -5
I meant my parents wouldn't let me anyways* lol
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Post by MCPS Alum on Apr 29, 2010 9:04:17 GMT -5
Having club players doesnt amount to much. When I was at Rockville, our starting 6 were all starters for MVP 16s - 18s. We never gelled as a team and ended up losing in Rd 2 of the playoffs to a team that had one non-MVP club guy who didnt even start. The best team is exactly that, the best TEAM. Not which team has the most club players. Doesn't amount to much? Wow. You are wrong my friend. Look who made the second round of the playoffs! Two teams that were almost completely club players. I doubt there were any teams in the second round that year or in any recent years without a single club player. The experience you gain playing club at an elevated level can't be matched in the 2 month high school season. There isn't a team at the bottom of their division that wouldn't gladly take a club player on their roster. Churchill this year is a very odd occurance but they still have a shot to make the playoffs. Out of curiousity, what is it in your opinion that does make a difference? Coaching obviously but every team that has won the county championships since its inception has had club players on it to my knowledge. I mis-spoke. What I should have said was that having club players on your team isnt the deciding factor in how succesful a team is. From what I can tell, Churchill is in the same situation that I was in when I played. On a talent and skill level (ie on paper) they should be just as good or better than any team in the county but for some reason, they arent. I agree with your statement that skill level is a very important aspect of a teams success. What Im saying is that teamwork is even more important.
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Post by MCPS Alum on Apr 29, 2010 9:10:39 GMT -5
By professional, I meant decent help and coaching, compared to high school coaching. Sorry that I didn't mean it the literal way. I love the sport, but that doesn't mean I can automatically whip out 400 bucks, let alone get parent consent to whip out 400 bucks to join club volleyball. Just as a side note, my phone only costed 60 bucks and I don't have an ipod =] I don't just pull out money from my pockets like that. My parents would let me anyways Im not sure how other clubs work, but MVP does (or at least used to do) some pretty heavy duty fund-raising to lessen the cost to the athletes and their parents. When I played some of the players actually had what we used to call jobs. We did what we had to do in order to do the things we enjoyed. At minimum wage, you could work 10hrs a week and make enough to cover the expenses of club volleyball in a couple months.
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Post by guest11 on Apr 29, 2010 22:31:34 GMT -5
They also get professional training as well as more productive time to practice, rather than those who are coached by only high school coaches, who sometimes tend to be coaches not because they're best for it, because there was no other person for the job. * It is true a small number of the high school coaches could have known the sports a little better, but let us not forget that there are many more excellent ones. As a matter of fact, many club coaches are also high school coaches or assistant high school coaches. This is not only true for boys volleyball, but also for girls volleyball. The major difference is when these coaches are coaching high school teams, they do not and probably could not demand as much from the players as they could against club players. Money aside, when a boy or a girl joins a club, the expectation is that they have committed a great deal of effort and time to improve their skills. Furthermore, high school season is very short, even if these coaches want to teach everything they know, there probably isn't enough time to do so.
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Post by Scott Zanni on Apr 30, 2010 8:41:26 GMT -5
Having seen boys volleyball in this area since it pretty much started, I think it is a pretty safe conclusion to say the best teams year in and year out generally have club players. The vast majority of the county finalists during the last almost 20 years have had a large number of club players. This isn't a commentary, just a fact of what I've seen since it started.
It makes some sense. Pick any sport or activity (music, drama, etc.) and a kid is going to be better at it if they are involved for 9 months of the year versus 2-3 months. That said, I think it is quite true as some posters pointed out that the concept of "team" plays a great deal into the success of a team. That includes not only the chemistry, but how pieces fit together on the court.
I'd also point out there are HUGE differences between the high school boys and girls seasons. The girls season is much longer (starts mid August and can end as late as right before Thanksgiving, well over three months). During this time the girls play 14 or 15 times, which works out to 1-2 times/week. Boys start essentially have a two month season with 12 play dates, which works out to about 2-3 matches/week. Additionally gym time is lost due to weather as well. So the boys don't get nearly as much court time to practice as compared to the girls.
Add in the fact that we have no JV teams for boys and fewer club opportunities and the reality (in my opinion) is that the boys have much less time in the gym to develop their skills than the girls do (in high school). I've actually had girls club coaches tell me they wish they had as much gym time as the high school girls coaches get.
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Post by guest1234 on Apr 30, 2010 23:48:45 GMT -5
last year springbrook got into the quarterfinals of playoffs without any county players. they did not have any club players and made it tough for RM who ended up winning counties. the game went to 5. all were close but the first. it seemed that springbrook could of beat them since they beated them in the regular season 3-1.
(to clarify Eric S. on springbrook didn't start playing club until this year so, springbrook didn't have any club player last year)
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