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Post by MOVETHECOEDSEASON on May 1, 2009 11:17:33 GMT -5
I have heard rumors of a boys all star senior game on May 19th at Wootton. Is this true?
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Post by guest on May 2, 2009 13:19:12 GMT -5
ive heard yes and only players from boys teams will be picked
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Post by deleted on May 4, 2009 11:15:29 GMT -5
I have heard rumors of a boys all star senior game on May 19th at Wootton. Is this true? does anyone know if this is a true all star game or is it a senior all star game?
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Post by guest on May 4, 2009 12:27:38 GMT -5
Senior All-Star Game
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Post by deleted on May 4, 2009 21:25:03 GMT -5
Then that's pretty lame. Why wouldn't we just get whoever is the best in the county?
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Post by Scott Zanni on May 4, 2009 22:07:34 GMT -5
Then that's pretty lame. Why wouldn't we just get whoever is the best in the county? That's real nice. A group of coaches organize themselves and donate their time to raise money for charity by recognizing some of the best senior players in MCPS and they get called "lame". Rather than assume it's lame, perhaps it would be better to ask why this is the case. MPSSAA (the state organization that runs athletics in Maryland) only allows senior all-star games as part of their bylaws (and then only after the season is over). Those bylaws are actually state laws in Maryland. Also, if memory serves from when we organized the senior all-star game for girls, the other issue is that student-athletes who play in an all-star game before their senior year may jeopardize their eligibility with the NCAA.
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Post by guest on May 5, 2009 10:15:01 GMT -5
I guess that's fair, but how will the selections be made? And who will the coaches be? Also, is the game supposed to be for a charitable cause (such as the Side Out Foundation for Breast Cancer research) or just a senior all star game?
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Post by hm on May 5, 2009 11:18:32 GMT -5
the selections will probably be from how the coaches had been scoring the players and find out whos the top and make it only seniors and same thing with the coach it might just be like how the all gazette teams are chosen and the coach
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Post by thekicker on May 5, 2009 11:22:18 GMT -5
How do u know if u have been chosen to partcipate in this and how do i try to become involved in this if you really want to be part of the Senior all star Game and you are a senior does it matter if your team doesnt go very far in playoffs? and how many players are going to be chosen and is there a limit onhow many can come from 1 school ? thank you
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Post by guest on May 5, 2009 12:31:18 GMT -5
Zanni's right on all accounts. Especially the "lame" comment. Coaches are nominating their own Seniors they think deserve to play. A selection committee will narrow down from there. Voting that coaches have been doing all season long for every game will come into play also. Coaches are putting in their own time for this event. If you want to help out ... come and support the Seniors, players and event and buy a ticket to the game.
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Post by Scott Zanni on May 5, 2009 12:44:16 GMT -5
I'll try and answer some of these questions. I'm not directly involved with the game because I'm not coaching boys volleyball at this time, but I've been asked to be an advisor for the game.
The game is being coordinated by Coach Hartranft at Wootton (I hope his players know how lucky they are to have him as a coach). There is a selection committee of at least five current boys coaches. Each boys coach can nominate as many seniors as they wish. The selection committee will then narrow that list to approximately the top 20-25 players using a variety of criteria. The players will be divided into two teams and they will play a best of five match.
The selection committee will also choose coaches for each team.
I believe the selection of players and coaches is taking place later this week. Once that happens I'm sure the notification will be soon there after.
The game is a charity game where all proceeds (revenue minus expenses) will go to the Side Out Foundation, a volleyball related charity.
There are probably other aspects I'm forgetting, but I'm sure John and the boys coaches will put on a great all-star game.
Again, this is an all-volunteer effort (just like the girls senior all-star game). The boys coaches should be commended for their efforts to recognize some of the top players in the county AND for using the event to raise money for charity.
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Post by Coach Siarkas on May 6, 2009 9:20:52 GMT -5
Why don't we get the Best senior Boys from either Boys our Coed. I'm new to coaching Coed but there seems to be a sense that Boys is varsity and Coed is J.V. I don't know why a sport should be penilized for what other coaches think. If we truly care for the kids and the sport does it really matter what team they are on. If we were having this last year you would tell me that Mulstaff (Not sure of spelling) would not have made the senior all star team.
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Post by MOVETHECOEDSEASON on May 6, 2009 13:22:16 GMT -5
Why don't we get the Best senior Boys from either Boys our Coed. I'm new to coaching Coed but there seems to be a sense that Boys is varsity and Coed is J.V. I don't know why a sport should be penilized for what other coaches think. If we truly care for the kids and the sport does it really matter what team they are on. If we were having this last year you would tell me that Mulstaff (Not sure of spelling) would not have made the senior all star team. If you let coed boys play then you have to let coed girls play too and it just gets way out of control. Start a coed All star game if you feel that strongly. Boys have to chose between coed and boys. How many girl volleyball players only play during the coed season and not the fall season? Girls don't have to make that decision. Coed should be a JV for boys at the very least based on that alone. Girls get 2 refs for their varisty matches, boys get 1. I understand your son/daughter/male player is upset. All male players should be with how they are being shorted by the county set up. As a solution to your immediate problem, Coach Siarkis, you can start a coed all star game of your own, help move the coed season so boys don't have to make the choice or understand that your male player chose to play coed and chose not to play in an all star game. If we truly care for the kids and the sport does it really matter what team they are on. Yes it does and here is why. The boys will not fully learn volleyball by playing coed alone. I'm glad you care for the kids and hopefully you will look to help right this with the county in the future.
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Post by Matt FlorianSherwood Coed Team on May 6, 2009 20:33:13 GMT -5
I greatly appreciate all of those who have put their time into organizing a senior all-star team for boys volleyball as it is an under-appreciated sport in Montgomery County. I just don't understand why it is unreasonable to include the boys from coed on the team as well as the boys from boys. As the Gazette only picks from the boys on the coed side and not the girls for the all-county team I don't see why one has to worry that anything will get carried away. I just feel as though you are punishing the boys who chose coed over boys. I'm sure many would defend this and say that there is equal competition in Coed volleyball and boys across the county. Especially as many of the best players in the county do play on the coed teams, calling coed a junior varsity sport I find is very offensive. Are you saying you would not include Ryan Mullsteff, Tommy Young, Neal Muradymo, Cody Burns, Steven Hollies just to name a few from last year and this year. Leaving out the coed boys is leaving out half of the talent of boys playing the sport of volleyball in Montgomery County.
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Post by Scott Zanni on May 6, 2009 20:59:18 GMT -5
Lets not make more out of this than it is.
Boys volleyball and coed volleyball are two different sports. MCPS mandates the two squads are both varsity sports that are to remain separate from each other with the exception of scheduling. For example: -the boys and coed coaches can't dictate to a boys player which team to tryout or to play on (only if they make the team they are trying out for) -boys may not switch from coed to boys or vice versa during the season
Second the rules of the two sports are very different. For example, coed boys can come out of the backrow to block in certain situations, there is a libero in boys volleyball and a girl much make one contact in coed.
Third, the strategies and tactics for both sports are very different. Boys allows use of a libero which allows for certain strategies and substitution patterns to be used that aren't in coed. Coed allows boys to block from the backrow, again requiring a different set of strategies and tactics than one would see in boys. Some of the best boys teams can have four attackers versus three front row blockers, while some of the best coed teams may have one attacker versus two front row blockers. There certainly are many other examples.
The point here isn't that the coed teams and players aren't good. They are. Anyone who watches the finals every year should be able to see that there are some talented male players who play coed (there was a time when boys first started that almost all the top boys played boys volleyball....those days have clearly passed).
The point is that the sports are different. The boys coaches decided to organize themselves and create an all-star game for boys volleyball players. Coed coaches are free to do the same for their sport.
Personally, I still think it would be much better for volleyball in general if we could separate boys and coed from each other so ALL the best boys could have a chance to play against each other at one point during the year. Just like the girls do in the fall.
But that is another debate for another day...
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